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look, we know the nsa thing is very controversial. they are listening to the phone calls and reading the e-mails or have the ability to, of 300 million americans. so are they justifying that by saying, aha, we listened to the phone calls of these two guys in yemen and should they be telling these two monsters that make bombs that they have their phone numbers? >> steve: fisa was supposed to be for it. those guys over there, it's okay to spy on them. it's the spying on us over here that bothers a lot of people. >> gretchen: so there was another gentleman, former c.i.a. official who was on o'reilley last night. here is his thoughts. >> the mo more disturbing aspect of this is that to release any information that acknowledges that we actually had the phone numbers and intelligence for both the leader of al-qaeda headquarters and the leader of al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula, we've now just burned that source. those phones are gone and those leaders will not use them again. so we have now, unfortunately, cut off a major source of intell
look, we know the nsa thing is very controversial. they are listening to the phone calls and reading the e-mails or have the ability to, of 300 million americans. so are they justifying that by saying, aha, we listened to the phone calls of these two guys in yemen and should they be telling these two monsters that make bombs that they have their phone numbers? >> steve: fisa was supposed to be for it. those guys over there, it's okay to spy on them. it's the spying on us over here that...
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it is not just nsa intercepts. it is informant information, ation with wiretaps in one case and using them for a second case. that a large database of phone records. phoneer they get a records for someone suspected of involvement in drugs or gang involvement from the dea, they put all of those timbers into one giant database and use that information to compare different cases. all of the collection seems legitimate in terms of being court ordered. what troubled some critics is the fact they are hiding that information from drug defendant to face trial. the problem with that is, if these defendants won't know about some potentially that mayry information affect their case and the right to a fair trial. >> explain exactly how this information is being hidden from judges, prosecutors, and sometimes defense attorneys as well. >> sure. just to give you an example, through any of these four different ways including the nsa intercepts, the dea's special operations division will send the information to a dea agent in the f
it is not just nsa intercepts. it is informant information, ation with wiretaps in one case and using them for a second case. that a large database of phone records. phoneer they get a records for someone suspected of involvement in drugs or gang involvement from the dea, they put all of those timbers into one giant database and use that information to compare different cases. all of the collection seems legitimate in terms of being court ordered. what troubled some critics is the fact they are...
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let's start with the nsa. how widespread does the revelation show their surveillance programs are of u.s. citizens? >> i think it was a shock to everyone about what we learned from snowden's revelation. the nsa is collecting information on potentially every american. it is from telephone metadata. that is pretty much every call you have made. they store that data for five years. >> what happens to it after that? >> well, we do not really know. they say they can only store it for five years, so in theory, it has to be destroyed after that. another program we are learning about collected e-mail metadata. so they are doing e-mail, too. they say that ended in 2011. >> walk us through the metadata. what exactly is that? why is it important in this data collection program? >> when you are investigating terrorism, what you are looking for is not just individual people, but networks. if you found one person, you're interested and who else is working with them? you want to look at who they communicate with. this inform
let's start with the nsa. how widespread does the revelation show their surveillance programs are of u.s. citizens? >> i think it was a shock to everyone about what we learned from snowden's revelation. the nsa is collecting information on potentially every american. it is from telephone metadata. that is pretty much every call you have made. they store that data for five years. >> what happens to it after that? >> well, we do not really know. they say they can only store it...
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elites in both parties are in agreement about the nsa and stuff. think about, this you think about closing 19 embassies. we just had had a former nsadhs official say do you know what it takes to close an embassy? that's a significant move. >> right. >> difficult and that sends a message that we can't predict these facilities. >> that's what concerns me. feels like a reactive response to these kind of threats after benghazi doing what the president said which was my number one intention is to make sure that we are safe going forward and it doesn't feel like that happened if we are doing unprecedented shutdown of all these embassies. you count me among those conservatives who are are skeptical of the nsa and droning. they say they need a hay stack i'm pretty protective of my hay as an american citizen. yes, we are going to continue to have this conversation. i think that's what makes it hard for the president to come out and openly defend the nsa stuff and the domestic surveillance because his base is not too happy about it either. >> laura: whether
elites in both parties are in agreement about the nsa and stuff. think about, this you think about closing 19 embassies. we just had had a former nsadhs official say do you know what it takes to close an embassy? that's a significant move. >> right. >> difficult and that sends a message that we can't predict these facilities. >> that's what concerns me. feels like a reactive response to these kind of threats after benghazi doing what the president said which was my number one...
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nsa picked up some chatter. it is about time they got back into the business they are supposed to be in. secondly, al-qaeda has made it a point for years now not to use cell phones phones and other communications. dana made a point that maybe they are desperate now. my guess is some of this may have been to throw us off. the third thing is if we hadn't closed the embassies and something happened, you would have been all over us as a result. the last thing i will say to you is embassies have been closed for the last 75 years as various circumstances have dictated. this may be more than most closures, but it goes back to teddy roosevelt. i would not consider this to be an american weakness. >> i agree. >> and the other thing is the yemens are not this rogue agent and our research here is clearly a guy who is upset in the right winger. >> it is like the bar scene and where they hang out. that's the deal. >> let me ask you. critics of the nsa would say this is really convenient for this to happen. while these progra
nsa picked up some chatter. it is about time they got back into the business they are supposed to be in. secondly, al-qaeda has made it a point for years now not to use cell phones phones and other communications. dana made a point that maybe they are desperate now. my guess is some of this may have been to throw us off. the third thing is if we hadn't closed the embassies and something happened, you would have been all over us as a result. the last thing i will say to you is embassies have...
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program -- >> that's what nsa does. >> using the threat as a vehicle to advance their own agendas. >> the deadly hit-and-run over the weekend. >> detectives believe he intentionally hit the pedestrians. >> there's more than one party that benefits from me not ever stepping back on the field. >> bob filner is expected to enter a clinic today. >> i saw him place his hands where they did not belong on numerous women. >> pull over. >> whoa. >> anthony weiner is nothing if entenacious. >> i'm going to get over it. >> new jersey governor chris christie. >> new jersey governor chris christie is as hot as it gets. >> are you stupid? on topic. on topic. next question. >> senator mcconnell took the stage at the traditional kentucky fancy farm event. >> obama care is a disaster for america. >> the struggle is just to be heard above the din. >> if the dodgers told senator mcconnell that he had a kidney stone, he'd refuse to pass it. >> can you put this in perspective? >> the politics of the terror threat. >> chris christie is as hot as it gets. >> minority leader mitch mcconnell is setting the t
program -- >> that's what nsa does. >> using the threat as a vehicle to advance their own agendas. >> the deadly hit-and-run over the weekend. >> detectives believe he intentionally hit the pedestrians. >> there's more than one party that benefits from me not ever stepping back on the field. >> bob filner is expected to enter a clinic today. >> i saw him place his hands where they did not belong on numerous women. >> pull over. >> whoa....
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the first way they get it is through -- passed along nsa intercepts. the second way they get it from regular informants. the third way they get it is from a large data base of telephone and internet data collected inside the united states. and the fourth way is through wiretaps from one investigation and applying it to the next investigation. and what they do is they pass these tips along to agents in the field. when the agents are released to make arrests, a traffic stop, they'll pull somebody over for speeding or for a taillight that's out on a pretext, and then after the person is arrested, they won't tell them the true reason why they were pulled over. what the original source of the investigation was. >> if that is -- i recognize that that's not unique to this special operations division of the dea as you documented in your reporting that law enforcement sometimes does this to essentially launder the original source of what leads to a prosecution. but in that case, how can a person fully defend themselves if they're not able to follow the informat
the first way they get it is through -- passed along nsa intercepts. the second way they get it from regular informants. the third way they get it is from a large data base of telephone and internet data collected inside the united states. and the fourth way is through wiretaps from one investigation and applying it to the next investigation. and what they do is they pass these tips along to agents in the field. when the agents are released to make arrests, a traffic stop, they'll pull somebody...
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melissa: they have to show that won't happen, but if you immediately think of the case with the nsa spying scandal and gathering all these things so that they may need it later in and saying, if we want to use it later we will go and get a subpoena them but gather it in the meantime. could they be listening into my house and store it summer? we don't know. they say they're collecting manage data. what they do with the of permission is not publicly -- melissa: collecting. >> the general information and mails and the communications, who is being called, subject matter, subject lines, e-mail addrses, but not so much the content. we don't know. we have heard different reports on what the governnt is doing. melissa: that's right. there were asked directly during a hearing, have you listened in on the phone calls and they said, we're not allowed to do that or we're not allowed to have that -- didn't say whether or not they've actually done it. >> you're right. but bear in mind, the same people complaining about the intrusion on civil liberties are going to be the first people to objective there
melissa: they have to show that won't happen, but if you immediately think of the case with the nsa spying scandal and gathering all these things so that they may need it later in and saying, if we want to use it later we will go and get a subpoena them but gather it in the meantime. could they be listening into my house and store it summer? we don't know. they say they're collecting manage data. what they do with the of permission is not publicly -- melissa: collecting. >> the general...
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the nsa hasn't been totally kneecapped in terms of its capabilities. so i think it is an important point to keep in mind. >> it's also become quite political. yesterday on the sunday talk shows you could see a lot of congressman from both sides say look, the nsa program is working. we need to keep it going. this is presiltionly why we have it. this is why it is a defective fool and this is from democrats and republicans. i think will you see the administration use whatever intercepts were picked up on this aqap plot to show that you know despite the reservations this is an effective program and they're going to keep doing it. >> thank you very much, peter, thank you, jay. thank you very much, mark. >> thank you. >> we'll be back. stay with us. >> rose: atul gawande is here, a surgeon at boston's brigham and women's hospital. a professor at the harvard school of public health and harvard medical school and a staff writer for "the new yorker" magazine. he has written extensively and thoughtfully about the flaws of our health-care system. his readership e
the nsa hasn't been totally kneecapped in terms of its capabilities. so i think it is an important point to keep in mind. >> it's also become quite political. yesterday on the sunday talk shows you could see a lot of congressman from both sides say look, the nsa program is working. we need to keep it going. this is presiltionly why we have it. this is why it is a defective fool and this is from democrats and republicans. i think will you see the administration use whatever intercepts were...
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c-span will hold -- host an examination of the nsa surveillance program. we will look at the white house recent decision to close some of the middle eastern and african embassies based it on interception intelligence and the impact of the high-level information leaks. joining us will be the freelance journalist and politico defense reporter. we will also take your phone calls, get your reaction on twitter and facebook. the town hall discussion gets under way live at 10:00 eastern. the encore presentation of first ladies. to go the earliest letter we have dates to october 1762, and we call it the miss adorable letter because that is how he opens the letter. john writing to abigail. he says ms. adorable, by the same token that the bearer of hero set up with you last night, as here -- i hereby order you to give him as many cases and many hours of your company after 9:00 as he shapley's to demand and charge them to my account. i presume i have good right to draw upon you for the kisses as i have given to that 3 million at least. and a consequence, the accounts
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so they pulled in from the cia, nsa, fbi, all of the different intelligence agencies. and then put together a suggestion about how to protect yourself against these threats. that's similar to the way the nrc does it. in practical terms that's what i would envision. >> i want to make a quick point about the nerc. we are a nuclear company, and we have brought in a lot of talent from our nuclear business to help mature parts of the i.t. and our compliance programs. and we have brought their discipline and practices and processes into our nerc program. it's helped us i think mature and evolve to a very disciplined safety because they have been used to operating under that level prescription for many years. they have a lot of practice that we've been able to bring the soviet is a model that we've looked at to help us in other parts of our company. >> yeah, i would say the es-isac is well-positioned to be the mediator for us. with nerc is involvement in the es-isac already the assurances that we now have on the separation between information sharing and enforcement, it would
so they pulled in from the cia, nsa, fbi, all of the different intelligence agencies. and then put together a suggestion about how to protect yourself against these threats. that's similar to the way the nrc does it. in practical terms that's what i would envision. >> i want to make a quick point about the nerc. we are a nuclear company, and we have brought in a lot of talent from our nuclear business to help mature parts of the i.t. and our compliance programs. and we have brought their...
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>> i don't know that he brought everything with him from the nsa. i would lose all respect for the chinese ministry of state security and for russia's fsb if they have not already taken control of the information that he brought with them to those two locations. >> so if he had a laptop or two or three laptops or a cell phone or smartphone or ipad, everything on those devices have already -- you assume the russians and the chinese? >> and that's the operative word. i would make the assumption those two services are dedicated and talented enough that they would put their mind to this purpose and they would harvest what it was he brought with him. >> so the u.s. government has to assume the same thing. they just assume all that information is lost. >> i'm afraid we have to assume that these adversaries -- not enemies, that these adversaries can look deeply into the secrets -- >> and they can take this information from the laptop without snowden even knowing. >> it probably would take longer? >> how long would it take? >> it depends on how much energy
>> i don't know that he brought everything with him from the nsa. i would lose all respect for the chinese ministry of state security and for russia's fsb if they have not already taken control of the information that he brought with them to those two locations. >> so if he had a laptop or two or three laptops or a cell phone or smartphone or ipad, everything on those devices have already -- you assume the russians and the chinese? >> and that's the operative word. i would...
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the nsa, edward snowden, the chatter, right up his wheelhouse? >> no, i mean, absolutely. there isn't a more contiguous time for national security reporters than right now. a crackdown on national security reporters. they're risking going to prison if they don't reveal their sources. they have launched investigations on war whistle-blowers in the previous three administrations combined. definitely there was a climate i feel like fear, of it made their job -- made michael's job a hole lot more difficult but motivated him more than ever to go out, tell the truth and challenge authority and call for more transparency in government. >> for those who scorn on kind of investigative journalist, many do, it's a lonely business. what is it like to be married to someone like that? occasionally scary and all the other things that go with it? >> it made really exciting and wonderful to be with such a passionate person who really cared so much. he cared so much for telling the stories other people didn't want to tell and always said to choose a big target. it you're going after someone
the nsa, edward snowden, the chatter, right up his wheelhouse? >> no, i mean, absolutely. there isn't a more contiguous time for national security reporters than right now. a crackdown on national security reporters. they're risking going to prison if they don't reveal their sources. they have launched investigations on war whistle-blowers in the previous three administrations combined. definitely there was a climate i feel like fear, of it made their job -- made michael's job a hole lot...
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. >> thank you, nsa. now we know americans just need to avoid this area. that. just this. >> top of the hour jnlmen and ladies. back from washington, editor of the "washington post" bob woodward, a little going on in your world. here on the set, the editor and chief of "the daily beast" tina brown who really can like show her muster in 140 characters or less. >> oh, my goodness. >> hello. >> do not get in a twitter fight. >> i love her. >> that was -- that was quite a back and forth. >> you know what that was, howie kurtz and you. >> a little fun i was having. >> please, don't ever have fun at my expense. >> you're the greatest there was, editorial of the "the huffington post" and political analyst howard fineman. good to have you all at the table this morning. a lot of news to get to, the state department is urging americans living in yemen to leave immediately. and is evacuating nonessential staff. embassies across the muslim world and in africa are closed again this morning and now there is greater insight as to why. u.s. intelligence intercepted communicatio
. >> thank you, nsa. now we know americans just need to avoid this area. that. just this. >> top of the hour jnlmen and ladies. back from washington, editor of the "washington post" bob woodward, a little going on in your world. here on the set, the editor and chief of "the daily beast" tina brown who really can like show her muster in 140 characters or less. >> oh, my goodness. >> hello. >> do not get in a twitter fight. >> i love her....
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steps up its aerial surveillance over yemen as well as pouring over jihadist websites and the nsa intercepts trying to figure out where this plan may be going next. >> thank you very much. reporting on the latest we know from the pentagon. i want to bring in tim clemente, former counter terrorism agent. obviously we have that intercepted communication from the leader of al qaeda ordering an attack, evacuation of personnel in yemen, drone strikes, closure of nearly two dozen embassies. all of this unprecedented and all overseas. what about at home? could there be a situation where there is an incredible amount of chatter and the u.s. is looking in the wrong place? >> i don't think we're looking in the wrong place. i don't think we ever lay down and don't look at what's going on here in the homeland but it is certainly a threat. the possibility as they said, lone wolf style attacks like boston marathon. that's very real. these are people that want to be allied with al qaeda. and if al qaeda the greater organization is pushing for major attacks on american assets overseas, there is no reason wh
steps up its aerial surveillance over yemen as well as pouring over jihadist websites and the nsa intercepts trying to figure out where this plan may be going next. >> thank you very much. reporting on the latest we know from the pentagon. i want to bring in tim clemente, former counter terrorism agent. obviously we have that intercepted communication from the leader of al qaeda ordering an attack, evacuation of personnel in yemen, drone strikes, closure of nearly two dozen embassies. all...
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i would be more enriched if i could have found a story in which activities of the nsa had actually caused inconvenience, damage, harm to an american. have not seen that story yet. i have not seen a person who was wrongfully identified to be a terrorist, thrown in jail, even the fifth degree, and so on. has been more inconvenience and damage to americans by the no-fly list and by taking off your shoes in an airport that has been done by this program, which is very precisely pointed towards finding people who point real threats to the eights, see who they are talking to, follow them up under supervision in order to identify threats. all the stuff is potential -- we do not trust the government having this information stuff. not real harms caused to real people buy these activities which are causing real good. >> that discussion coming up tonight, and afterwards, a live town hall to examine the nsa surveillance program and its effect on national security, foreign policy, civil liberties. look at the recent decision to close a middle eastern and embassies.'s and -- freelancell be a a reporter
i would be more enriched if i could have found a story in which activities of the nsa had actually caused inconvenience, damage, harm to an american. have not seen that story yet. i have not seen a person who was wrongfully identified to be a terrorist, thrown in jail, even the fifth degree, and so on. has been more inconvenience and damage to americans by the no-fly list and by taking off your shoes in an airport that has been done by this program, which is very precisely pointed towards...
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the same time they were withholding hearings about surveillance and americans and the power of the nsa. suddenly it stopped and now we are worried about an imminent threat? host: this from "usa today," authorities released the names of 25 suspects on monday, saying that they were planning terrorist attacks across the country. the development came as washington ordered the closure of 20 u.s. diplomatic missions throughout the war -- throughout the week. the suspects being targeted in office, with government installations in the country, things were beefed up from the ports. this topic of discussion came up yesterday at the white house during the usual press briefing held by j kearney. talking about the current threat, here is what they had to say. [video clip] toi am not in a position discuss specific intelligence, but we believe the threat is significant and we are taking it seriously for that reason. we have taken the actions announced by the state department, an abundance of caution. we will continue to monitor this and take action as necessary. is daytona beach, florida, republican
the same time they were withholding hearings about surveillance and americans and the power of the nsa. suddenly it stopped and now we are worried about an imminent threat? host: this from "usa today," authorities released the names of 25 suspects on monday, saying that they were planning terrorist attacks across the country. the development came as washington ordered the closure of 20 u.s. diplomatic missions throughout the war -- throughout the week. the suspects being targeted in...
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cia and r from former nsa director, michael hayden. representatives from the energy industry in state governments. live coverage from the center an policy beginning at 9:00 a.m. eastern on the companion network, c-span 2. c-span, defense experts debate looming budget cuts at an event at the brookings institution. he sequestration and the 2011 budget control act, the pentagon will have to cut more than $895 next decade.e join us live if for that conversation at 10:00 a.m. eastern. >> i am not some sort of anti-suburb person who thinks needs to live in new york city. i was sensitive to coming across espresso sipping condo dwelling, you know, elitist of some kind. did this book.i understand why people like the suburbs. i get fed up with new york city a lot. that there's a shift the way suburban america is who live by the people there is too big of a story to ignore. >> legal ger on where the dream is moving sunday night at 9:00 on "after words" of book tv on c-span 2. days son two of first lay influence & image begins monday ith the look
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we will hear from former cia and nsa director michael hayden and representatives from the energy industry and state government. will have live coverage from the bipartisan policy center beginning at 9 a.m. eastern on c-span 22 and on c-span, defense budgets at the pentagon. the pentagon will have to cut more than 985 to lynn dollars over the next day -- $985 billion over the next decade. >> tomorrow night, on c-span's encore presentation of first ladies -- >> the earliest extent letter we , 19 --tes to october 17 october 17, 62. we call it the adorable letter because that is the way that john opens a letter. , by the "ms. adorable same token that the bear of can't do company last -- t, and charge them to my account. i presume i have good right to draw upon you for the kisses as i have given two or 3 million at least. and of consequence, the accounts between us is immensely in favor of yours." oncontinues tomorrow night c-span. >> next, wendy davis delivered remarks at the national press club and she talked about her future political plans and the more than 10-hour filibuster she held agai
we will hear from former cia and nsa director michael hayden and representatives from the energy industry and state government. will have live coverage from the bipartisan policy center beginning at 9 a.m. eastern on c-span 22 and on c-span, defense budgets at the pentagon. the pentagon will have to cut more than 985 to lynn dollars over the next day -- $985 billion over the next decade. >> tomorrow night, on c-span's encore presentation of first ladies -- >> the earliest extent...